BlackHawk01x
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NWN 2
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 Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 11:43 |
Hello all.
Since - as usual - Atari not answers anything which stands in their own forums I need to ask here in the hope that anyone has more infos about that.
At Amazon.de the PreOrder-Pack costs ~10€ + 3€ Sending-Price.
I heard from a few persons now that usually you get the PreOrde-Packs costs back when you buy a full-version as well, that this is 'usual'-thing in these things.
But now Amazon told me they have 'no infos from the publisher (Atari) about if that is meant to be so', so they're selling the PreOrder-Pack only as 'extra'-Payment, no matter if you buy a full-version as well or not.
So since Atari avoids any questions to them - they not even have a question'mail'adress for that kind <.< - I try to ask directly:
Is this meant to be so all over the world, that this time you not get your money back when buying a full-version or is that just another of the "Obsidian told Atari to do that but they ignore them cause they want more money"-Thingy?
I have to clarify two things which makes hopefully just people with a bit knowledge about this problem answering and not all the people who just says something without sense just 'for' saying something:
1.) The PreOrder-Pack has the toolset and a special item in it which grants to some more special items from special merchants in the official campaign.
Problem here: Toolset is already in the fullversion and the special items you can easilly make in toolset as well I bet.
Means: It's quite coming along with 'robbery' in my eyes when you need to pay 10€ you get not back for a few earlier weeks of toolset using and a few items... so it's important for me to get some more infos about this problem - especially since it's released soon...
2.) A part of the question - the 'Obsidian maybe told Atari but Atari not listens' - is important for me as well since I try to see if it's a mayor problem between Atari and the maker of the games.
Reason: When they have trouble with conversation already I see black for the european patches again, so we need to wait several week up to a few months until a US-Patch is translated to be used in european version, meaning that you cannot play on English-Servers for a while again.
(That was a -giant- problem in NWN1, so nothing to overlook...)
I hope to get a few answers from people who knows more about these problems, since it's not only for me important but for a few others surely too who buy the european-versions and still play on english-servers, too (you cannot expect anyone to buy 1 version for the OC to fully understand and another for being able to play online...)
I hope I'm not sounding too agressive or to complaining, that is not what I mean, just the release of the PreOrder-Pack lays quite near and the release of the full-version - cause of the patch'problem'concerns - is not that far away anymore, too. So I just try to clear more out what I mean.
Thanks for reading and hopefully someone can give me more infos - hopefully especially some people of Obsidian who're in charge for speaking with Atari about these things...
Greetings from,
BlackyEdited By BlackHawk01x on 08/29/06 11:47 |
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Tal Rasha
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Beigetreten: 18 Okt 2001
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 11:48 |
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 11:43:32 (GMT) by BlackHawk01x
1.) The PreOrder-Pack has the toolset and a special item in it which grants to some more special items from special merchants in the official campaign.
Problem here: Toolset is already in teh fullversion and the special items you can easilly make in toolset as well I bet.
The toolset for limited and normal version are exactly the same.
There is only a small difference in the official campaign.
If you load the official campaign from the limited version in the toolset of the normal version, you will see the blueprints for the special items.
This should not be a reason to buy the limited version. The other goodies, such as map and rings or figurines are a better reason IMO.
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BlackHawk01x
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Beigetreten: 01 Mär 2005 |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 12:03 |
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 11:48:52 (GMT) by Tal Rasha
The toolset for limited and normal version are exactly the same.
There is only a small difference in the official campaign.
If you load the official campaign from the limited version in the toolset of the normal version, you will see the blueprints for the special items.
This should not be a reason to buy the limited version. The other goodies, such as map and rings or figurines are a better reason IMO.
Thanks for answer 
Just a lil thing: I'm speaking here from the 'PreOrder-Pack' not the 'Collector's Edition'.
The PreOrder-Pack (what you can buy already in september) has the Toolset and the special item needed for some of the special merchants - once the full'version is out.
Though I just think that's nothing where you should pay 10€ 'extra', since toolset you get with fullversion as well. And the special item... well not sure if it's worth paying 10€ 'extra' for just being able to buy 3 or 5 or whatever more items in the official campaign which you surely not need to be able to finish it...
Hope that makes more clear what I mean. |
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Tal Rasha
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 12:06 |
I misunderstood  Didn't even know there was a PreOrder-Pack...
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Selene Moonsong
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 12:14 |
Perhaps the answer would be found from Atari in Europe, it is a call made by Atari rather than the Developers.
I think there are slightly different collector edition and/or PreOrder options available for different world regions, perhaps to localize the product and appeal to folks in different parts of the world.Edited By Selene Moonsong on 08/29/06 12:17 |
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BlackHawk01x
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NWN 2
Beigetreten: 01 Mär 2005 |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 12:52 |
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 12:14:07 (GMT) by Selene Moonsong
Perhaps the answer would be found from Atari in Europe, it is a call made by Atari rather than the Developers.
I think there are slightly different collector edition and/or PreOrder options available for different world regions, perhaps to localize the product and appeal to folks in different parts of the world.
Well... I would try to ask Atari, but they seem to ignore such questions...
German-Atari not have any kind of E-Mail adress for that kind of questions and their forums... well they're called "Atari-Forum" but I guess that's it with Atari having anything to do with them...
I tried to ask Atari in their Forums about 10 times things, and got only for 1 thing an answer and that was not even really from them just from a moderator who gets more answer then we 'simple players'. And I still do asking there first and wait a few days before I come here to ask, just at a certain point... well getting no answer at all makes someone mad, especially when the answer is important in deciding if a product is to bought or not. *nods* |
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Syrsuro
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 01:30 |
There is not ONE Atari, there are many Ataris - each being wholly or majority owned by Infogrames. And each handling distribution in a different part of the world.
And I suspect there isn't much point in asking one Atari what the other Ataris are doing. Although I don't know how they really operate, I suspect that they all get their orders from the same place (Infogrames or Atari Interactive, not sure which) - but are left somewhat free to interpret those orders on their own.
Not only that - but when NWN was released, different vendors -within the same country - had different 'stuff' in their pre-order packs.
The best place to ask questions about what is in your pre-order pack is probably from whomever you are going to buy it. Whether that is a local gaming store or an internet site.
They ought to know and if they don't, they ought to be able to find out (and they are more likely to be able to get an answer than Joe Public.
Otherwise - I would try here: http://forums.eu.atari.com/index.php? (Although I didn't see a NWN2 section in the German forum, there was a NWN2 site in a couple of other language forums.)
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Lycius
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 01:39 |
Pre-order specials are totally handled by their respective retailer. Atari isn't going to answer you because they don't support the pre-order bonus materials.
Contact whichever retailer you are purchasing the pre-order from and they should be able to assist you.
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Selene Moonsong
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 01:43 |
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Thanks, Carl and Lycius, you both covered what I forgot to paste into my post above |
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nightsneaker
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NWN: HotU
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Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 01:58 |
Your answer from Amazon.de concerns me. I've already pre-ordered my pre-order pack  there.
I heard there was another (German) online store that had some details about this on its website, but I don't remember which one right now. I'll see if I can find it when I'm at home.
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BlackHawk01x
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NWN 2
Beigetreten: 01 Mär 2005 |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 02:15 |
Well... thanks for the infos about that... even it even more concerns me *smirks*
Sounds a bit like: Atari is a buisness you not know who is doing what for which country or how to contact the right person to get infos about your place...
hehe, no wonder the NWN1-Patches had such a trouble... *still prays for no repeating in NWN²*
@nightsneaker:
Well that's what Amazon told me... there are a few other with the preorder-pack - exact the same like Amazon so I don't think it's really the retailer who're deciding what's in them ... - and some were cheaper, but most you only can buy when you're preorder a full-version there, too *sighs*
Oh well... I guess I better wait for the full version for toolset and I bet the scripts for the special merchants are latest in some places to get a month after the preorder-pack or the full'version is released, so no need to pay 10€ just for a few lines of script...
*smirks more* Even the toolset would be nice to get a bit in knowledge of it, but that's just too expensive for so less things.
P.S.: even I say so I still think over if to buy it or not  . Yes I am a crazy person *smiles* just wanted to clear things up with the people in charge - well which I thought are in charge... - before buying blindly things... *sighs*Edited By BlackHawk01x on 08/29/06 14:17 |
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Wistan
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Beigetreten: 07 Feb 2005 |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 03:19 |
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 12:03:57 (GMT) by BlackHawk01x
Though I just think that's nothing where you should pay 10€ 'extra', since toolset you get with fullversion as well. And the special item... well not sure if it's worth paying 10€ 'extra' for just being able to buy 3 or 5 or whatever more items in the official campaign which you surely not need to be able to finish it...
IF I could get the toolset some weeks earlier in my dirty hands, it would be worth more than 10 $. I just can´t believe that. Never heard or read that before.
I thougth the only beta-toolset will be for the people who are beta-tester. |
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rzg6f
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Beigetreten: 11 Jun 2006
Von: Germany |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 03:43 |
It's true, i was thinking of buying it myself, so I was paying attention to this thread:
Click Here
"Neverwinter Nights 2 - Preorder Pack (DVD-ROM)
von Atari
Plattform: Windows 98 / Me / 2000 / XP
Größeres Bild
Amazon-Preis: EUR 9,99 Kostenlose Lieferung ab EUR 20 Bestellwert. Details
(Approx: $12.83)
Verfügbarkeit: Dieser Artikel wird am 7. September 2006 erscheinen. Bestellen Sie jetzt! Verkauf und Versand durch Amazon.de."
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nightsneaker
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NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
Jade Empire
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Von: about 7280 km from Edmonton |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 29 August 2006 03:45 |
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 15:19:33 (GMT) by Wistan
I thougth the only beta-toolset will be for the people who are beta-tester.
It seems to be Europe only AFAIK. Sorry
@BlackHawk:
Well, the retailer I spoke of was Okaysoft.de, but the information there is exactly the same as on Amazon.de. Their price is only 2,50 Euro, but this is still too much for a few items. For the tool set on the other hand...  
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